kim jung u.n. there was some speculation he may take the country in a different direction. now it appears after he launched a rocket last year, now carrying out a test of a nuclear device. there does appear to be a new pattern which is now emerging from north korea. we saw this weapon the launch of that rocket. there apeered to be some kind of bluff in play by the north korean leader, pretending or giving out signals that that launch may not go ahead, and then a day or two leader, it happened. what happened in the leadup to this. there were signals coming from the north koreans the united states had jumped to conclusions that a nuclear test was on its way, and then another few days later, we have this nuclear test. we're getting this information from the u.s. geological survey which reported a seismic disturbance in north korea. the seismic event was centered near the side of pyeoongyangpyoo

previous tests. officials have confirmed seismic activity in north korea. south korea says it detected what it called an artificial earthquake north of its border. the tremor, though, was different from what you might consider to be a normal earthquake. no further information at this stage is known. there's no official confirmation coming from anyone, least of all from pyongyang. north korea as we've been telling you, widely expecting to carry out this nuclear test any day now. pyongyang is expecting to stage a high intensity -- we have anna koran standing by in seoul, south korea, we also have alex in tokyo. let's go to anna koran, who is in seoul for us right now. anna, you're on military maneuvers just a few days ago, with the south koreans and u.s. military there. there is a great deal of preparation in south korea for this event.

essentially, given what's happened, what can the south koreans do right now? >> as we discussed yesterday, this is very much a waiting game. the test we presume has happened. that is what the seismic disturbance is. 4.9 magnitude quake with a depth of one kilometer. that is much deeper than the previous test in 2006 and 2009. there's something like 28,000 u.s. marines based in the korean peninsula. they just wait. it's unlikely there will be any preemptive action from this side of the border. north korea has conducted tests in the past. we mentioned those two previous nuclear tests in 2006 and 2009. normally there is condemnation, there are words. south korea will come out and

make some very strong statement. backed by the international community there will be u.n. sanctions, tougher u.n. sanctions which perhaps china will back after they did in december. militarily, it is business as usual. everyone is on high alert. but it would be highly unlikely if there was to be any action taken. >> anna, stand by, i want to get some reaction there, if there is any, from the president-elect parties, made a lot of strong statements in the leadup. i want you to stand by, we have elise on the line from the state department. is there any reaction, 11:00 p.m. here in the united states on the east coast. anything coming out of the state department yet? >> i'm speaking to sources, senior administration officials tell me the u.s. is working to confirm, i'm not sure this am coulds as a surprise, john. i was speaking to one senior official this morning, and they

said a test could come at any moment i think the u.s. has been bracing for this, planning for this as we've been discussing, there's been a lot of -- kind of fooling around by north korea in terms of when the date would be just as there was when they had the rocket launch and they extended a date and then they ended up doing it before this whole extension. i think there's definitely been -- definitely been plans that this test would take place. what happens now? i think that the u.s. is going to act similar to all of these rook et tests. i think they'll be going to the united states, going for some tufts with action. how does the united states, south korea, japan, china, all the parties in the diplomacy with north korea deal with these antics. deal with these habitual tests. i think from the united states and his partners you're going to see a more robust sanction

policy. i know they're looking at a lot of sanctions. along the lines of what they've done with iran, working on squeezing north korea as tight as those sanctions are on north korea, trying to squeeze it a little further to try to get a change in behavior. >> they will definitely be going to the united nations in the coming days. >> a perennial problem that no one seems to know what to do with. they impose sanctions and nothing seems to change. you mentioned japan, what will the japanese be doing in reaction to all of this. alex is standing by in tokyo. for more on that, there are few good options here, what is tokyo likely to say, what is it likely to do in the coming hours? >> well, john, just in the past 20 minutes or so, we heard from japan's chief cabinet secretary. he basically talked about what they were looking out in terms of the seismic activity. he would not weigh-in issuing

any stern comments or any condemnation about this morning's activity out of north korea. it's safe to say what the thinking would be, is that they want to get on the same page as other neighbors in the region, the likes of south korea, china, russia and try to come together and form some statement on this. for right now, they're not issuing any comment in terms of any condemnation about this event in north korea, this morning. which as we've all said is somewhat surprising, because this event is not unexpected. we've been expecting this for several weeks now. and, of course, this follows that rocket launch back in december. john? >> we have the south korean foreign minister who, i believe, is standing by, who is joining us now. minister, could you please tell us your reaction to this news that there has possibly been a test of a nuclear device by your neighbors to the north? >> well, it was not a surprise, because north korea has said

many times they would carry out a third nuclear test? >> can you confirm for us this has in fact been a test of a nuclear device? >> it's still not clear whether north korea carried out the third nuclear test or not. but the seismic effect in south korea can be interpreted as they did a nuclear test. >> can you tell us, what will the process be now, how long will it take before we can actually get confirmation of what's happening? >> well, it takes at least one or two days, because we don't know yet what exactly caused the seismic effect of that kind of magnitude. it was 5.1, in the previous time in 2009 the magnitude was around 4.6. so it's much greater than the previous one in 2009.

>> just to go over the bleeding obvious here, spell out what are the concerns here. the north koreans have carried out two nuclear tests in the past, this is the third if it's confirmed. we're assuming it will be. what does this lead to? what are you most worried about? >> north korea tested the third one, north korea becomes a nuclear power. it will hold -- it's on the mind the situation in this region. >> you're saying that one test could be a fluke, the second one a good shot, but a third one means they definitely have the -- a nuclear ability, is that what you're saying? >> yeah, that's right. north korea wanted to have miniaturized nuclear bomb, if north korea successfully tested the third one it will mean that north korea succeeded in making

a small miniaturized nuclear bomb. >> this could be a real game changer? >> yes, that's correct. it will change the structure of northeast asia. >> what do we do next? everything that's been tried in the past, sanctions on sanctions on sanctions, cutting north korea off from the rest of the world has had little effect. >> as united states already passed the situation, they said that the action will be taken if north korea tests the third one. and the united states and international community will levee much harsher sanctions, such as the financial sanction like the one in the year 2005.

like sanctions -- an initiative will be implemented. that means that all the aircraft and ships of north korea will be scrutinized. >> if i'm not mistaken, the last time those sort of measures were taken, the north koreans said they would reail yat if their ships were intercepted at sea and board boarded. and those actions went nowhere. >> i don't think north korea has the means to retaliate against south korea and the united states. they are all the time making a lot of bluffing. our capabilities are stronger than north korea. i don't think north korea will do anything more than they did in the past. >> there are two camps out there which essentially come down to this. china has the ultimate sway over the north koreans, essentially because the chinese supply them with food, with fuel.

essentially bankroll the place, keep them afloat. and there are those who believe the chinese have little influence over the north koreans, where do you stand? >> i think china has influence on north korea. the problem is china is interested to pay more forecasts on maintaining north korea rather than north korea. so china really did not -- is -- did its best to prevent testing. china should apply more harsher sanctions against north korea if he wants to stop the north korean nuclear program. >> you're not looking toward the chinese for much help at this point i gather? >> i think in the united nations, china cooperate with the united states and the western countries. what i meant is that china can

do a lot more than what they have done now. >> do you expect that they will? >> well, i think so. because it's also on the mind the security environment of china. >> okay. so i think we will leave it there, but we appreciate your insight your experience. that was a former south korean foreign minister joining us on the line. spelling out exactly what could happen over the next couple days. we did touch on it there, the role that china could play. the united states will be looking toward beijing to take a leadership role because of the influence that the chinese have over their closest friends, the north koreans. but right now we will say good-bye to our viewers in the united states. but for everyone else here at cnn international, we'll continue on with our coverage of this breaking news story. let's go to matthew chance who is live in beijing. for more on this, it is the chinese new year holiday. the place is closed down, you

can shoot a cannon down the main street of beijing and not hit anybody. when can we expect something to come out of the government there? >> it's very difficult to say. >> a war in the gop. between donald trump calling karl rove a total loser and the dualing responses to the state of the union tomorrow night, what's really going on in the gop? here's how rand paul, who's giving tomorrow's tea party response to the president puts it, with a touch of diplomacdip. >> there's a lot of energy that still comes from the tea party. while they consider themselves mostly to be republican, they occasionally will chastise even the republican establishment, they want an independent voice. >> chastise. that's a polite way of saying what's been happening lately. out front tonight, bob mcdonald. great to see you, really appreciate you're taking the time. >> thanks, erin. it's been pretty interesting watching the republican party recently. a little bit like watching a pay

per view wrestling match. rand paul and marco rubio, two rebuttals to the president from one party. is that a good or bad thing for the party? >> we're not a monolithic party. we have a diversity of opinions just like they do in the democratic party. the president is in the more liberal wing, and there are moderates who disagree with him on things. listen, we have work to do, after losing a presidential election two cycles in a row, to a president that had a $16 trillion debt and an 8% unemployment rate, that's not good, so there are different views on how to get us back on tract. the good news is we control a good majority of the state legislatures and 30 out of the 50 governors are republicans. we have been gaining for the last four years. so i think we're winning in some areas. at the national level, we clearly have work to do. >> all right, and look, i have to give you credit. you came out, 30 of 50 governors. let me ask you, because of the talk about the civil war, the

donald trump tweet about karl rove, here is what donald trump tweeted. karl rove's strategy and commercials were the worst i have ever seen. karl rove is a total loser. money given to him might as well be thrown down the drain. other tea parties have criticized rove and said he's too moderate which has left me scratching my head because he used to be considered the bulwark of the republican party. who is the real republican? donald trump or karl rove, if you had to choose? >> i know both of them. they're all good republicans. we have good disagreements, just like the other side. when you lose after a presidential race, there's always this soul searching. i think it's healthy. what is our message? how are we going to appeal to those young voters and new voters and minority voters that we lost in big numbers this time? how are we going to change our tone? so that we are more effective messengers. and i think marco rubio is going to do a great job tomorrow night explaining the republican message to a broader audience.

look, this is just part of the process. i'm not that worried about it. i don't call it a civil war. it's a disagreement in the family. and we'll be a stronger republican party going forward. >> do you think, though, when you look at, let's say chris christie, could he actually get a nomination in the republican party given that he comes from a state that has some of the most restrictive, second most restrictive gun law in the country, that he is considered to be open-minded on things like gay marriage? he calls himself a republican, but it seems like looking at a republican primary, he would look like a flaming democrat. >> chris is a friend of mine. he's a darn good governor. he's got a 70-something percent approval rating in a blue state. i think people want results and not talk. plenty of rhetoric and talk and blame shifting in washington, and governors know how to get something done, so the answer is

yes. we want to elect people and nominate people who are prince pale conservative but can win. i think you'll see more of that going forward. governors are good ones to lead the way. >> you have been talked about as a candidate for 2016. marco rubio seemed like a good choice. you want to talk about immigration. you want to put out someone who is diverse. do you need rubio to be the nominee for the republican party to not become what the left-leaning "new republic" has just called the gop as the party of white people? >> well, i mean, that's grossly unfair. both parties have -- we're a majority white country. we're becoming more diverse. and i think that's a great thing. and our challenge is to be able to say why this conservative republican message gets results,

why conservatism works and liberalism fails and why for the average person in america, why it produces things that are better for your family on taxes, on spending, education, on debt and deficit. this president has run into $16 trillion in debt, heading to $17 trillion, and a job rate that is abysmal. the president has to explain how he's going to turn that around. marco rubio is a great guy to explain why that message is going to work. >> thank you for coming on and talking to me. i appreciate it. under arrest, chicago police have announced charges against two people in the murder of a teenaged girl who performed at the president's inauguration parade. hadi ya a penned elton was an innocent by stander. her paersons will be michelle obama's guests at the state of the union tonight. ted rowlands is out front on a case that's galvanized residents to action. >> hi, my name is hadiya.

>> the murder of 15-year-old honor student hadiya pendleton is a case that people in chicago want solved. the high school sophomore who had just returned from performing as a majorette at the presidential inauguration was killed in this park after finishing a final exam, but getting witnesses to help make an arrest, even in a case that's gotten so much attention for almost two weeks has been difficult. >> people are rightfully concerned about their participation as witnesses in this case or in any other case that involves a murder. >> chicago police say attacks against witnesses are actually rare, but people still believe they're in danger. >> i have to live here and my family lives here, so it would be a problem with me telling. >> because what could happen? >> because they would kill people. it's that dangerous around here. >> it is dangerous to do it. because you don't know who is watching and who knows you and what they're capable of doing. >> what could they do to you? >> they could shoot you or kill you. >> that's exactly what they did

last april to 26-year-old kimberly harris, shot 20 times, three times in the face, just days before she was to testify against a gang member accused of killing her boyfriend. there were arrests in fewer than 40% of the 506 homicides in chicago last year, in many cases police simply couldn't get witnesses to tell them what happened. >> if we don't have those witnesses when we go to trial, how are we ever going to win our case? how are we ever going to hold that person responsible? >> we need the community to not be afraid to name them, to out them to turn them in. >> father michael phleger has been preaching at st. sabina catholic church on chicago's south side for almost 30 years. >> we have to start reframing the way everything is talked about. you're going to be threatened. no, most likely you're not. you're a snitch. no, you're saving somebody else's life. >> it's already too late to save this life, one that had so much promise and was cut way too short.

>> ted, of course, chicago, the president's, you know, his home town. he's going to be coming there on friday. he has been criticized by some for ignoring the violence in chicago. what do people hope he's going to do on friday? >> i think specifically in the short term, erin, they're hoping he'll just extend the dialogue which was started by hadiya pendleton's death. her death has struck a nerve in this city like none other, at least for years. there's a real feel that people have had enough and there has to be something done. they hope the president coming here will continue that dialogue and there will be some resolve. >> ted, thank you very much. reporting from chicago tonight. still to come, the head of the lapd makes a surprising move, responding to christopher dorner's claims of racism. meanwhile, dorner is still being hunted down. plus, the attorney for a man involved in the penn state rape investigation called the case self-serving.

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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start with stories we care about where we focus on reporting from the front lines. we begin with israeli president benjamin net who, who said today that iran is getting closer to the infamous red line that you might recall he drew so boldly at the u.n. summit last winter. he said iran is, quote, shortening the time needed to draw it. netanyahu is likely referring to iran's recent announcement that it intends to install advanced centrifuge machines at its enrichment facility. he said those machines are a lot more productive than the machines used now. a memorial service was held today in texas for chris kyle.

he was shot by a fellow veteran he was trying to help. thousands attended the service at cowboy stadium for the man who called himself america's most lethal sniper. there were musical performances and tributes to kyle. the most emotional, though, came from his wife. she told the audience her husband was a warrior on and off the battlefield. those gearing up for spring break, watch out. shark attacks are at a decade high in the united states. according to the university of florida study, there were 53 shark attacks in the united states last year. that's the most since 2000. 26 occurred in florida. they tell us the uptick has to do with the human population, with so many people frequenting the beaches, there are naturally going to be more attacks. tasty morsels. it's been 557 days since the u.s. lost its tom credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? jobs are key to the economic recovery. they said we have been making progress but warned a prosperous job market is going to take years to come. and now the paternos

fighting back. a new report commissioned by the family called an investigation into the penn state sex scandal factually wrong, speculative and fundamentally wrong. they hired three experts to rebut the penn state report that claimed that paterno and three other officials famed to protect children from being abused by former coach jerry sandusky. "outfront" tonight is jay paterno, joe paterno's son and dick thornburg, one of the three experts hired by the paterno family. great to see both of you, and good to see you, jay. thank you so much for coming in. you have put a lot of time into this report. you feel that your father was wronged. this has become a cause for you. >> well, the report had a couple aims. one was to get to the truth. and i think that's more important than anything. and a second thing is if we could also create some

heightened level of awareness about nice guy predators. we felt that would be -- probably more important than anything. so had it really two things we were going after. >> now, nice guy predators, you're referring to people who may walk among us and we just have no idea. right? >> yeah, when i read jim clemente's report, i'm a father of five. and there were some things that really jumped out at me because if you would have asked me 18 months ago, what does a predator look like, i would have said the guy in the van cruising playground parking lots and school ground parking lots looking for kids, and that's not the case with nice guy predators. these guys are coaches, scout leaders, they're in your communities. >> i want to ask both of you about things, give you a chance to respond in the louis freeh report. he wrote the original report for penn state. he said, and i want to quote him here from the report. mr. paterno was aware of the criminal 1998 investigation into sandusky's suspected child abuse. indeed, the evident shows that mr. paterno closely followed that case. later, in 2001, another one of his assistants, mike mcqueary,

directly reported to mr. paterno that sandusky was sexually abusing a young boy in the locker room. the evidence shows that mr. paterno purposefully ignored the evidence. when you say walks among us, if your father knew back in 1998, how does that add up? >> there is no evidence he did know in 1998. in fact, there are several men who testified under oath he was not told. as governor thornburg's report, it also states that the pennsylvania law at the time had a very high level of confidentiality as it related to investigations into child sexual abuse. so that fact has not been established. in fact, there's a preponderance of the evidence that he was not aware. >> let me ask you this, louis freeh said there was an active attempt to conceal jerry sandusky's behavior. in 2001, the incident with mike mcqueary. louis freeh cites this exchange, an e-mail that apparently was between graham spanier the

president of penn state and gary shultz and tim curry. here's the e-mail. after giving it more thought and talking it over with joe yesterday, i am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. i am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved. if he is cooperative, we would work with him to handle informing the organization. i would indicate that we feel there is a problem and we want to assist the individual get professional help. you're saying that e-mail doesn't add to to sufficient evidence that joe conspired to cover up the incidents. some say after speaking to joe, they decided to back off. >> let me say two things. first of all, the accusation that mr. paterno tried to conceal anything that happened in 2001 is palpably false because he was the one who reported it to the administration and the people who had a responsibility for looking after those things. secondly, they have a difficult time distinguishing between y

i and we. if you read the e-mail carefully, you can see the things that are referred to as collective action and those as singular. it's a little bit technical, i'll admit, but when you have so little in the way of evidence available, you have to look at it carefully and come to the conclusion we did in the report. >> let me ask you, jay, about this, another thing said in the freeh record interesting in the fact that it was just talking about the spirit of what happened. it said these men exhibited a striking lack of empathy for sandusky's victims by failing to inquire about their well being, especially by not even attempting to determine the identity of the child. do you have moments where you think about that and say, dad, were you thinking by not pushing it? >> you have to understand the time table. mike witnessed something on a friday, he talked to joe on saturday. the most likely place this child would have come from was second mile, and tim curley went to the second mile, reported to the head of the second mile.

so in that regard he did attempt to find out who that child was. whether louis freeh thinks they should have gotten cars and driven around town, i don't know. you would have to ask him, but they did try to ascertain who it was. >> they did. okay. >> erin, one of the lessons we should learn from this is a negative lesson. not everybody should try to become a detective or a law enforcement official trying to uncover these things. there are experts who specialize in these areas. jim clemente, of course, is the best there is. and when you -- and joe mentioned this in his observations, that he didn't want to upset what the professionals might do by mucking around as an amateur. i think tats a very important lesson to carry away. >> jay, i want to play, you and your mother sat down with katie couric. i wanted to play something your mother said today and give you a chance to respond to it. here see she is. >> let me ask you this, katie.

jerry adopted chern, the experts vetted him. he had foster children. the experts vetted him. the executive director of second mile is a child psychologist. if the experts don't know, how can we know? >> i mean, she has a fair point, but when mike mcqueary comes and tells your dad he saw what he saw, do you think he would have done it differently? >> knowing what we know now about jerry sandusky, and we have to be very careful when you judge think things in historical perspective. at the time mike went to joe, what he told him was not very specific, by mike's own admission, and what we knew about jerry sandusky at the time was this guy was a pillar of the community. he had started a charity that really helps thousands of kids. everything would point you away from believing that. when you read jim clemente's report, part of the psychology of this is nice guy predators do everything they can to turn you away from their actions and fool you.

so yeah, there were a lot of people fooled. i worked with jerry sandusky for five years, i have known him my whole life. >> did you hear any of those allegations? >> i'm one of those people who were fooled. reading that report now, if nothing else, people should read clemente's report as parents, as investigators. because there are very important pointses he makes in that that we should all learn from. >> thank you very much. i hope people will read it. thank you very much. now to our fourth story "outfront." charged with murder. today, authorities in california formally charged christopher dorner with the murder of a police officer and the attempted murder of three other officers. dorner is the former lapd officer who please say has been on the run since last week. there's now a $1 million reward for information leading to his capture. but it appears the trail has gone cold after his pickup truck was found last thursday engulfed in flames near the resort community of big bear lake. he said his revenge of the law

enforcement is due to his firing in 2008, and now the lapd is looking into the firing and his charges of racism. a charge that is sparking a lot of debate. kyung lah is out front with the story. >> it's the front page. >> front page. >> compton, los angeles, long beach, and inglewood. >> this is not murder, this is war. >> it debate rages on l.a. radio. christopher dorner, cop killer or vigilante hero? >> i believe what he is doing is really no different than our ancestors would have done and did do in fighting to get free. >> not that people don't have a right to be angry. it's what you do about the anger. >> it's awful that we have to buy into that as another african-american. >> online, a more bold following, with numerous facebook fan pages, one even called a christopher dorner appreciation society. where does this come from? l.a.'s old wounds, as acknowledged by l.a.'s police chief as he reopened the investigation into dorner's firing. >> i hear the ghosts of the past

of the los angeles police department. i hear people saying maybe there is something to what he says. i want to put that to rest. if there is anything to what we says or anything new he brings up in his manifesto, we ll deal with it and deal with it in a public history. 1965, the riots triggered by the stop of a black man by white police officers. 1991, the brutal beating of rodney king. the april acquittal of an all-white jury of all of the officers of assault spurned days of riots in los angeles, and in the late '90s, the rampart scandal. where an anti-began unit was accused of beating suspects f m from -- came in to reform the entire police department. >> lapd's relationship with the black community could only be

described as a state of war. >> this woman sued the lapd representing hundreds of minority officers and helped change the department. today, minorities make up more than half of lapd's force and it has a new mindset. >> what do you think of the chief reopening the investigation? >> i think it was a tough decision made for the exact right reasons. the openly racist culture of lapd of 30 years ago is gone. >> rice is now the police chief's trusted adviser. she says dorner's beef with the lapd may well be real. but he remains a suspected killer. >> let's not merge the past with today. and let's separate out the possibility that mr. dorner has raised legitimate issues from the complete illegitimacy and obscenity of what he's done. >> the police chief says the reopening of the dorner firing investigation isn't to appease the fugitive but a way to continue to close wounds and

take another step away from its painful past. kyung lah, cnn, los angeles. "outfront" tonight, we go to rio, where carnival is in full swing. why an american mormon says her parents would kill her if they knew what she was up to. and ted nugent invited to attend president obama's state of the union address. when we went to his ranch, he had this to say to the president. >> i and i alone, by any consideration whatsoever, will determine how many bullets i need to protect my family. ♪make just one heart to heart you - you sing to♪ ♪one smile that cheers you ♪one face that lights when it nears you.♪ ♪and you will be happy too.

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we are back with tonight's outer circle where we reach out to our sources around the world, and tonight, a special report from brazil. carnival is in full swing. you know what that means. not a lot of clothes, but a lot of fun. samba is a centerpiece of the

revelry complete with thumping music and sweaty, sequinned bodies. we follow an american dancer who is breaking tradition to be a big part of the celebration in rio. >> tiny jeweled bikinis and gyrating hips. just what you would expect from rio de janeiro's raucous carnival, but not necessarily from a mormon born and raised in salem, oregon. this woman and her friends apply glitter and baby oil before they climb on a three-story float depicting noah's ark. >> we'll be climbing up the ladder in our platform heels and our tiny costumes, climbing up to line noah's ark, and this is my headdress. >> they'll have to dance samba to a pounding beat for two or three hours. i asked mandy and her friends what their biggest concern is. >> falling off, actually. >> it's high. >> before the parade, we visited mandy at a gym where she took samba lessons for eight months, learning to dance in platforms and swing her hips like a pro.

mandy's husband, an american businessman, was transferred to rio less than a year ago, and she soon discovered the classes. when her teacher said she was good enough to participate in carnival, she signed up. then she got a look at the costume. >> my parents are going to kill me. >> rio's annual carnival is a huge event in brazil. a million tourists come to town and the big attraction is the parade. this is the moment that mandy has been waiting for and training for for eight months. up ahead, she's going to head into the samba drone and parade in front of 172,000 people and millions more around the globe. cnn, rio de janeiro. and now our fifth story out front. ted nugent headed for washington. he will be in attendance at president obama's state of the

union address. he will not bring any of his weapons to the ranch, they will be banned they talked about hunting, they talked about self-defense and they talked about his beloved second amendment. >> fire in the hole. >> for ted nugent, gun control is putting the second bullet in the same hole as the first. >> two down. >> a lot of people look at the tragedy at sandy hook and they say, something's got to be done. >> agreed, something has to be done. >> they point to weapons that were used as the cause. >> it's not the weapons. the weapons have nothing to do with it. these -- again, these weapons are in every pickup truck in texas. ♪ >> the famed platinum selling rocker is passionate about his music, his family, and his firearms. he's fiercely protective of the rights of law abiding gun owners and he's invited us to his 300

acre ranch in waco, texas, to explain why. >> i'll give you some real eye candy in a second. >> we see wild turkey and black buck antelope. all fair game during hunting season. like tens of millions of americans, nugent grew up hunting with his dad and brothers. guns are a family tradition he has avidly passed on to his wife and kids. if somebody close to you were killed by a gunman, would your views on guns change? >> absolutely not. no, i would never turn against this wonderful tool that brings me self-defense capabilities and brings me great joy and competition and marksmanship training. deb, you climb up this platform. >> i'm trying to understand the nature of the hunt. >> when i get up here, i'm not kidding you, i do 79 concerts and i get up here, strap myself in, take a deep breath and sit here for six hours. >> so it's meditative to you. >> absolute meditation.

>> have you ever tried yoga? >> i think this is the supreme yoga. >> nugent's passion about guns and his unyielding belief in the second amendment's right to bear arms has transformed him into the somewhat fanatical face of the nra. >> boy, you are a city girl. you stand kind of like you're golfing. >> i am a city girl. >> you squeeze that trigger. >> as he teaches me gun safety, he repeatedly emphasizes that gun violence is caused by criminals, the mentally ill, and a legal system that paroles criminals too soon. the argument that was made is he was allowed to kill as many people as he did because it had multiple bullets and he was able to just keep firing. >> deb, the rate of fire in all of these mass shootings, it's not a matter of bullets or fire power. a quail gun in the wrong hands is as deadly as this gun.

people have got to come to that reality. >> the ability to defend his family is something he takes very, very seriously. >> when i'm being assaulted at my home, i and i alone, by any consideration whatsoever, will determine how many bullets i need to protect my family. >> nugent has been a sheriff's deputy for 30 years and carries a concealed glock at all times. so i want you and i to solve this problem of gun violence. >> there is no gun violence. there is criminal violence, and they use an assortment of tools. >> let's talk about background checks. >> i like background checks. >> yes, but not at gun shows or with private sales. a lot of people in law enforcement have to take a psychological exam before they're allowed to carry. why not normal citizens. >> i wrote "wango tango," and i carry a gun. ♪ >> nugent sticks to his guns, literally.

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